Bryan沒用任何圖表和道具。為我們講述了在花哨的懲戒上美國走的有點(diǎn)太遠(yuǎn)了，呼吁即使是罪犯也需要公正的對(duì)待。因?yàn)槲覀兊纳婧兔恳粋€(gè)人的生存都分不開。 我們?cè)诳萍己驮O(shè)計(jì)上的前景，在娛樂和創(chuàng)造力上的眼光，必須與人性、慈善、和公正的遠(yuǎn)見相結(jié)合，往前看!下面是小編為大家收集關(guān)于TED英語演講：我們需要談?wù)劜还瑲g迎借鑒參考。

　　演說題目：我們需要談?wù)劜还?

　　演說者：Bryan Stevenson

　　演講稿

　　Well this is a really extraordinary honor for me. I spend most of my time in jails, in prisons, on death row. I spend most of my time in very low-income communities in the projects and places where there's a great deal of hopelessness. And being here at TED and seeing the stimulation, hearing it, has been very, very energizing to me. And one of the things that's emerged in my short time here is that TED has an identity. And you can actually say things here that have impacts around the world. And sometimes when it comes through TED, it has meaning and power that it doesn't have when it doesn't.

　　很榮幸來到這里 我大多數(shù)時(shí)候都 在管教所，在監(jiān)獄里，在死囚室中 大部分時(shí)間我在低收入的社區(qū)里工作 在充滿絕望的地區(qū)，做前途暗淡的項(xiàng)目 今天來到TED 看到聽到這些激動(dòng)人心的演講 給了我一針強(qiáng)心劑 在這短短的時(shí)間里，我注意到 TED有自己的定位 你可以看到這里發(fā)生的事情 影響全世界 有時(shí)當(dāng)事情發(fā)生在TED的講臺(tái)上 比發(fā)生在別處 更有意義，更有影響

　　And I mention that because I think identity is really important. And we've had some fantastic presentations. And I think what we've learned is that, if you're a teacher your words can be meaningful, but if you're a compassionate teacher, they can be especially meaningful. If you're a doctor you can do some good things, but if you're a caring doctor you can do some other things. And so I want to talk about the power of identity. And I didn't learn about this actually practicing law and doing the work that I do. I actually learned about this from my grandmother.

　　我提起這個(gè)是因?yàn)槲矣X得自我定位很重要 我們已經(jīng)聽了一些精彩的演說 我們已經(jīng)體會(huì)到 作為一個(gè)老師，你的話是有影響力的 如果你是個(gè)很慈善的老師 你的教導(dǎo)就格外意味深長 作為一個(gè)醫(yī)生，你能夠幫助人 如果你是個(gè)體恤病人的醫(yī)生，你能幫助更多 所以我想講講定位的重要性 我不是從做律師 或者做其他項(xiàng)目學(xué)到怎樣自我定位的 我其實(shí)是從我外婆那里學(xué)到的

　　I grew up in a house that was the traditional African-American home that was dominated by a matriarch, and that matriarch was my grandmother. She was tough, she was strong, she was powerful. She was the end of every argument in our family. She was the beginning of a lot of arguments in our family. She was the daughter of people who were actually enslaved. Her parents were born in slavery in Virginia in the 1840's. She was born in the 1880's and the experience of slavery very much shaped the way she saw the world.

　　我的家庭 是一個(gè)傳統(tǒng)的黑人家庭 只有一個(gè)女家長 就是我的外婆 她很堅(jiān)韌， 也很強(qiáng)壯 威風(fēng)凜凜 家里有爭(zhēng)執(zhí)，她有決定權(quán) 不過很多事兒也是她挑起來的 她的父母曾是真正的黑奴 弗吉尼亞州19世紀(jì)40年代，她父母落草為奴 我外婆是十九世紀(jì)八十年代生的 這段父母被奴役的經(jīng)歷 決定了她看世界的角度

　　And my grandmother was tough, but she was also loving. When I would see her as a little boy, she'd come up to me and she'd give me these hugs. And she'd squeeze me so tight I could barely breathe and then she'd let me go. And an hour or two later, if I saw her, she'd come over to me and she'd say, "Bryan, do you still feel me hugging you?" And if I said, "No," she'd assault me again, and if I said, "Yes," she'd leave me alone. And she just had this quality that you always wanted to be near her. And the only challenge was that she had 10 children. My mom was the youngest of her 10 kids. And sometimes when I would go and spend time with her, it would be difficult to get her time and attention. My cousins would be running around everywhere.

　　我的外婆很強(qiáng)勢(shì)，但她也很慈愛 當(dāng)我是個(gè)小男孩時(shí) 每次見到她都擁抱我 她抱得那么緊，我都透不過氣來 然后她才會(huì)放開我 一兩個(gè)小時(shí)之后，當(dāng)我再見她 她會(huì)過來問我：“還能感覺我的擁抱么?” 如果我說“感覺不到了”，她就再度出擊 直到我說“感覺得到”，她才放開我 她就是有這個(gè)能力 讓你老是想親近她 唯一的挑戰(zhàn)是她有十個(gè)兒女 我媽媽是十個(gè)里最年輕的 常常當(dāng)我去和外婆親近時(shí) 很難讓她注意到我，有時(shí)間陪我 我的表兄妹們總是無處不在

　　And I remember, when I was about eight or nine years old, waking up one morning, going into the living room, and all of my cousins were running around. And my grandmother was sitting across the room staring at me. And at first I thought we were playing a game. And I would look at her and I'd smile, but she was very serious. And after about 15 or 20 minutes of this, she got up and she came across the room and she took me by the hand and she said, "Come on, Bryan. You and I are going to have a talk." And I remember this just like it happened yesterday. I never will forget it.

　　我記得，當(dāng)我八九歲時(shí)的一次 我早上醒來，跑到客廳 所有的表兄妹都在 我外婆坐在房間的另一端 盯著我看 一開始我以為我們?cè)谕嬗螒?我就看回去，對(duì)她笑笑 但我外婆是很嚴(yán)肅的 大概十五還是二十分鐘之后 她站起來，穿過房間 牽住我的手 對(duì)我說：“過來，布萊恩，我們得談?wù)劇?rdquo; 這就像是昨天才發(fā)生的一樣 我永遠(yuǎn)忘不掉

　　She took me out back and she said, "Bryan, I'm going to tell you something, but you don't tell anybody what I tell you." I said, "Okay, Mama." She said, "Now you make sure you don't do that." I said, "Sure." Then she sat me down and she looked at me and she said, "I want you to know I've been watching you." And she said, "I think you're special." She said, "I think you can do anything you want to do." I will never forget it.

　　她把我?guī)У揭贿呎f：“我想和你說些事， 你不許和任何人說。” 我答應(yīng)了：“好的，姥姥。” 她說：“保證絕不說出去。”我回答：“保證。” 然后我們坐下，她看著我 說：“我想讓你知道 我觀察你一段時(shí)間了。” 接著她說：“你是個(gè)特別的孩子。” 她說：“我確信你是無所不能的。” 這我永遠(yuǎn)不會(huì)忘記

　　And then she said, "I just need you to promise me three things, Bryan." I said, "Okay, Mama." She said, "The first thing I want you to promise me is that you'll always love your mom." She said, "That's my baby girl, and you have to promise me now you'll always take care of her." Well I adored my mom, so I said, "Yes, Mama. I'll do that." Then she said, "The second thing I want you to promise me is that you'll always do the right thing even when the right thing is the hard thing." And I thought about it and I said, "Yes, Mama. I'll do that." Then finally she said, "The third thing I want you to promise me is that you'll never drink alcohol." (Laughter) Well I was nine years old, so I said, "Yes, Mama. I'll do that."

　　接著她說：“我想讓你向我保證三件事。” 我說：“好的姥姥。” 她說：“第一，我想讓你保證 你會(huì)永遠(yuǎn)愛你的媽媽。” 她說：“你媽媽是我的心頭肉， 你得向我保證你會(huì)永遠(yuǎn)愛護(hù)她。” 我很愛我媽媽，我說：“好，姥姥，我會(huì)。” 接著她說：“第二件事，是你要答應(yīng)我 你會(huì)永遠(yuǎn)走正路 即使走正路是很難的選擇。” 我想了想回答：“好的姥姥，我會(huì)的。” 最后她說：“第三件事，我要你保證 你永不喝酒。” (笑聲) 我才九歲，我答應(yīng)：“好，姥姥，我保證。”

　　I grew up in the country in the rural South, and I have a brother a year older than me and a sister a year younger. When I was about 14 or 15, one day my brother came home and he had this six-pack of beer -- I don't know where he got it -- and he grabbed me and my sister and we went out in the woods. And we were kind of just out there doing the stuff we crazily did. And he had a sip of this beer and he gave some to my sister and she had some, and they offered it to me. I said, "No, no, no. That's okay. You all go ahead. I'm not going to have any beer." My brother said, "Come on. We're doing this today; you always do what we do. I had some, your sister had some. Have some beer." I said, "No, I don't feel right about that. Y'all go ahead. Y'all go ahead." And then my brother started staring at me. He said, "What's wrong with you? Have some beer." Then he looked at me real hard and he said, "Oh, I hope you're not still hung up on that conversation Mama had with you." (Laughter) I said, "Well, what are you talking about?" He said, "Oh, Mama tells all the grandkids that they're special." (Laughter) I was devastated.

　　我在南部的鄉(xiāng)下長大 我有個(gè)哥哥大我一歲，還有個(gè)妹妹小我一歲 當(dāng)我十四五歲時(shí) 一天我哥哥帶回到家半打啤酒—— 我都不知道他怎么弄到的—— 他帶上我和我妹妹，跑到樹林里 一通瘋玩瘋跑 他喝了一口啤酒，遞給我妹妹，她也喝了 然后他們遞給了我 我說：“我不要。沒事，你們喝。我不喝。” 我哥哥說：“來嘛，我們今個(gè)兒都喝。你老是和我們一條陣線的。 我喝了點(diǎn)，妹妹也喝了點(diǎn)，你來些。” 我說：“不，我不想喝。你們喝你們喝。” 我哥哥盯住我 問：“你有什么毛病?喝一點(diǎn)。” 接著他細(xì)細(xì)打量了我一會(huì)，問我： “噢，你不會(huì)還想著 姥姥要你保證的事吧。” (笑聲) 我說：“你在說什么呀?” 他說：“姥姥和每個(gè)外孫都說他很特別。” (笑聲) 我這個(gè)傷心呀

　　And I'm going to admit something to you. I'm going to tell you something I probably shouldn't. I know this might be broadcast broadly. But I'm 52 years old, and I'm going to admit to you that I've never had a drop of alcohol. (Applause) I don't say that because I think that's virtuous; I say that because there is power in identity. When we create the right kind of identity, we can say things to the world around us that they don't actually believe makes sense. We can get them to do things that they don't think they can do. When I thought about my grandmother, of course she would think all her grandkids were special. My grandfather was in prison during prohibition. My male uncles died of alcohol-related diseases. And these were the things she thought we needed to commit to.

　　現(xiàn)在我想向大家坦白一件事 可能不該在這里說 因?yàn)檫@個(gè)演講是會(huì)到處播的 我今年五十二了 我要向大家承認(rèn) 我從來沒有喝過一滴酒 (掌聲) 這不是為了顯派我多有道德 是為了說明自我定位的威力 當(dāng)我們決定了正確的定位 我們就可以讓全世界接受 他們本來想不到的事情 我們能讓世界做 他們本來覺得做不到的事情 當(dāng)我想到我的外婆 她當(dāng)然覺得每個(gè)外孫都很特別 我的外公因?yàn)檫`了禁在蹲監(jiān)獄 我不止一個(gè)舅舅死與和酗酒有關(guān)的疾病 這些原則都是我外婆相信我們應(yīng)該堅(jiān)持的

　　Well I've been trying to say something about our criminal justice system. This country is very different today than it was 40 years ago. In 1972, there were 300,000 people in jails and prisons. Today, there are 2.3 million. The United States now has the highest rate of incarceration in the world. We have seven million people on probation and parole. And mass incarceration, in my judgment, has fundamentally changed our world. In poor communities, in communities of color there is this despair, there is this hopelessness, that is being shaped by these outcomes. One out of three black men between the ages of 18 and 30 is in jail, in prison, on probation or parole. In urban communities across this country -- Los Angeles, Philadelphia, Baltimore, Washington -- 50 to 60 percent of all young men of color are in jail or prison or on probation or parole.

　　我想向大家介紹的 是我們刑事執(zhí)法系統(tǒng) 和四十年前比 這個(gè)國家變了很多 在1972年，監(jiān)獄里只有三十萬人 今天，有兩百三十萬 今天美國是世界上 服刑人口比例最高的國家 我們有七百萬人在緩刑期和假釋期 在我看來，這樣的大量判刑 完全改變了我們的世界 在貧窮的社區(qū)里，在有色人種社區(qū)里 充滿了絕望 這樣的絕望 是由這些改變帶來的 三分之一的黑人男性 十八歲到三十歲之間的 不是在監(jiān)獄里，就是在緩刑期或者假釋期 在全國各處的城市社區(qū)里—— 洛杉磯，費(fèi)城，巴爾的摩，華盛頓—— 百分之五十到六十的有色人種的年輕人 不是在監(jiān)獄里，就是在緩刑期或者假釋期

　　Our system isn't just being shaped in these ways that seem to be distorting around race, they're also distorted by poverty. We have a system of justice in this country that treats you much better if you're rich and guilty than if you're poor and innocent. Wealth, not culpability, shapes outcomes. And yet, we seem to be very comfortable. The politics of fear and anger have made us believe that these are problems that are not our problems. We've been disconnected.

　　我們的司法系統(tǒng)不僅是改變了 而是圍繞著種族問題扭曲了 也圍繞著貧困扭曲了 這個(gè)國家的司法系統(tǒng) 會(huì)對(duì)你特殊照顧 如果你是有罪的富人而不是無辜的窮人的話 財(cái)富，而不是過失本身 決定了最終結(jié)果 可是，我們還挺自在的呢 玩弄恐懼和憤怒的政治手腕 說服了我們 事不關(guān)己 高高掛起

　　It's interesting to me. We're looking at some very interesting developments in our work. My state of Alabama, like a number of states, actually permanently disenfranchises you if you have a criminal conviction. Right now in Alabama 34 percent of the black male population has permanently lost the right to vote. We're actually projecting in another 10 years the level of disenfranchisement will be as high as it's been since prior to the passage of the Voting Rights Act. And there is this stunning silence.

　　我對(duì)這個(gè)很感興趣 我們?nèi)粘９ぷ髂芸匆恍┖苡幸馑嫉淖兏?我所在的阿拉巴馬州，像很多其他州一樣 如果你被判有罪 就終身剝奪你的政治權(quán)力 現(xiàn)在在阿拉巴馬州 百分之三十四的黑人男性 永遠(yuǎn)失去了投票權(quán) 我們向前看十年 這個(gè)剝奪政治權(quán)利的比例 將和投票權(quán)法案通過之前 一樣的高 可是沒人提半個(gè)字

　　I represent children. A lot of my clients are very young. The United States is the only country in the world where we sentence 13-year-old children to die in prison. We have life imprisonment without parole for kids in this country. And we're actually doing some litigation. The only country in the world.

　　我代表孩子們上庭 很多我的被告都很年輕 美國是世界上唯一能將 十三歲的孩子 判成終身監(jiān)禁的國家 我國對(duì)孩子判終身監(jiān)禁，還不得假釋 我們其實(shí)現(xiàn)在就在幫這些人上訴 世界上獨(dú)一份

　　I represent people on death row. It's interesting, this question of the death penalty. In many ways, we've been taught to think that the real question is, do people deserve to die for the crimes they've committed? And that's a very sensible question. But there's another way of thinking about where we are in our identity. The other way of thinking about it is not, do people deserve to die for the crimes they commit, but do we deserve to kill? I mean, it's fascinating.

　　我也代理死刑犯的官司 死刑這件事很發(fā)人深省 我們從各種渠道了解到 (死刑的)根本問題是 人該不該為他們犯的罪行償命 這是個(gè)非常合理的問題 但是另一方面 問題是我們的自我定位 另一個(gè)想問題的方式 不是人們?cè)摬辉摓樽镄袃斆?而是我們配不配殺他們 我是說，這個(gè)問題非常震撼

　　Death penalty in America is defined by error. For every nine people who have been executed, we've actually identified one innocent person who's been exonerated and released from death row. A kind of astonishing error rate -- one out of nine people innocent. I mean, it's fascinating. In aviation, we would never let people fly on airplanes if for every nine planes that took off one would crash. But somehow we can insulate ourselves from this problem. It's not our problem. It's not our burden. It's not our struggle.

　　死刑在美國是常有差錯(cuò)的 每九個(gè)被判死刑的人 有一個(gè)后來會(huì)被證明無罪 被免死刑 這種錯(cuò)誤率—— 九分之一的人完全無辜 我得說，非常震撼 學(xué)航空的人知道，如果每九架飛機(jī)里 會(huì)有一架出事故 我們肯定是不會(huì)讓這玩意兒載人飛的 但是莫名其妙地我們就能忽視死刑的問題 因?yàn)檫@不是我們自身的問題 這不是我們自身的麻煩 這不是我們自身的掙扎

　　I talk a lot about these issues. I talk about race and this question of whether we deserve to kill. And it's interesting, when I teach my students about African-American history, I tell them about slavery. I tell them about terrorism, the era that began at the end of reconstruction that went on to World War II. We don't really know very much about it. But for African-Americans in this country, that was an era defined by terror. In many communities, people had to worry about being lynched. They had to worry about being bombed. It was the threat of terror that shaped their lives. And these older people come up to me now and they say, "Mr. Stevenson, you give talks, you make speeches, you tell people to stop saying we're dealing with terrorism for the first time in our nation's history after 9/11." They tell me to say, "No, tell them that we grew up with that." And that era of terrorism, of course, was followed by segregation and decades of racial subordination and apartheid.

　　我談了很多問題 種族，還有 我們配不配執(zhí)行死刑 這很發(fā)人深省。當(dāng)我教美國黑人歷史的時(shí)候 我和學(xué)生講奴隸制 和他們講恐怖主義 那個(gè)始于大復(fù)興晚期 一直到二戰(zhàn)時(shí)期的時(shí)代 我們并不真的了解那段歷史 但是對(duì)于這個(gè)國家的黑人來說 那是個(gè)白色恐怖時(shí)代 在很多社區(qū)，人們害怕隨時(shí)會(huì)被私刑處死 人們擔(dān)心隨時(shí)會(huì)被炸彈襲擊 那個(gè)白色恐怖時(shí)代，改變了他們的生活 那時(shí)的人現(xiàn)在上了年紀(jì)，來和我說 “史蒂文森先生，你到處演講 你得告訴大家 別說什么911以后是我們美國有史以來 第一次對(duì)付恐怖主義。” 他們讓我說：“我們就是在恐怖里長大的。” 那個(gè)恐怖主義的時(shí)代，當(dāng)然了 最后演變成了無法逾越的鴻溝 數(shù)十年的種族歧視 和種族隔離

　　And yet, we have in this country this dynamic where we really don't like to talk about our problems. We don't like to talk about our history. And because of that, we really haven't understood what it's meant to do the things we've done historically. We're constantly running into each other. We're constantly creating tensions and conflicts. We have a hard time talking about race, and I believe it's because we are unwilling to commit ourselves to a process of truth and reconciliation. In South Africa, people understood that we couldn't overcome apartheid without a commitment to truth and reconciliation. In Rwanda, even after the genocide, there was this commitment, but in this country we haven't done that.

　　然而，我們這個(gè)國家 不喜歡討論存在的問題 我們不喜歡討論歷史 正因如此，我們不能真正理解 我們有史以來做了什么 我們不停地產(chǎn)生沖突 不停地制造緊張氣氛 我們沒法討論種族問題 我相信是因?yàn)槲覀儾辉敢庹?一系列的事實(shí)，不愿意達(dá)成和解 在南非，人們知道 我們不能忘記種族隔離 除非我們誠實(shí)面對(duì)，達(dá)成和解 在盧旺達(dá)，即使種族滅絕后，人們還是正視了 但是在美國我們不愿意這么干

　　I was giving some lectures in Germany about the death penalty. It was fascinating because one of the scholars stood up after the presentation and said, "Well you know it's deeply troubling to hear what you're talking about." He said, "We don't have the death penalty in Germany. And of course, we can never have the death penalty in Germany." And the room got very quiet, and this woman said, "There's no way, with our history, we could ever engage in the systematic killing of human beings. It would be unconscionable for us to, in an intentional and deliberate way, set about executing people." And I thought about that. What would it feel like to be living in a world where the nation state of Germany was executing people, especially if they were disproportionately Jewish? I couldn't bear it. It would be unconscionable.

　　我也在德國談過死刑的問題 結(jié)果很絕妙 因?yàn)樵谥v談后有個(gè)學(xué)者站起來 說：“你要知道， 聽你談這個(gè)很痛心。” 她說：“我們德國沒有死刑。 當(dāng)然了，我們德國永遠(yuǎn)也不可能有死刑。” 全場(chǎng)肅靜 這位女士說： “因?yàn)槲覀兊臍v史， 我們永不可能決定 有系統(tǒng)地殺人。 公開化且下意識(shí)地 執(zhí)行死刑，對(duì)我們來說 是良心上無法接受的 我思考了這個(gè)問題 如果我整天 都看著德國人殺人 毫無道理地屠殺猶太人 我會(huì)有什么感受? 我無法忍受 那真是太不合理了

　　And yet, in this country, in the states of the Old South, we execute people -- where you're 11 times more likely to get the death penalty if the victim is white than if the victim is black, 22 times more likely to get it if the defendant is black and the victim is white -- in the very states where there are buried in the ground the bodies of people who were lynched. And yet, there is this disconnect.

　　但是，在我們這個(gè)國家 在南方各州 我們真的在屠殺—— 當(dāng)僅僅因?yàn)槭芎θ耸前兹硕皇呛谌?你被判死刑的機(jī)率上升十倍時(shí) 當(dāng)僅僅因?yàn)楸桓媸呛谌硕皇前兹?你被判死刑的機(jī)率上升二十一倍時(shí)—— 在這些州，到處埋著 被私刑處死的人 可是，我們還是漠不關(guān)心

　　Well I believe that our identity is at risk. That when we actually don't care about these difficult things, the positive and wonderful things are nonetheless implicated. We love innovation. We love technology. We love creativity. We love entertainment. But ultimately, those realities are shadowed by suffering, abuse, degradation, marginalization. And for me, it becomes necessary to integrate the two. Because ultimately we are talking about a need to be more hopeful, more committed, more dedicated to the basic challenges of living in a complex world. And for me that means spending time thinking and talking about the poor, the disadvantaged, those who will never get to TED. But thinking about them in a way that is integrated in our own lives.

　　我相信這說明我們有定位危機(jī) 當(dāng)我們對(duì)這些棘手的問題 置之不顧時(shí) 我們卻仍舊對(duì)那些正面的好事兒 一如既往地關(guān)心 我們愛極了革新 我們愛技術(shù)，我們愛創(chuàng)造 我們愛娛樂 但是最終 這些好的現(xiàn)實(shí) 都被痛苦煎熬， 濫用職權(quán)，剝奪人權(quán) 邊緣化，蒙上了陰影 對(duì)于我來說兩者合一 是必要的 因?yàn)樽罱K我們談的 是怎么更有希望 更有保障，更有貢獻(xiàn) 來應(yīng)付生活在這個(gè)復(fù)雜社會(huì)中的種種挑戰(zhàn) 對(duì)于我來說那需要 花時(shí)間思考和討論 窮人階層，弱勢(shì)群體 那些永遠(yuǎn)也沒機(jī)會(huì)來TED的人 不過想著他們其實(shí)在某種意義上 是把他們?nèi)诤线M(jìn)我們的生活里

　　You know ultimately, we all have to believe things we haven't seen. We do. As rational as we are, as committed to intellect as we are. Innovation, creativity, development comes not from the ideas in our mind alone. They come from the ideas in our mind that are also fueled by some conviction in our heart. And it's that mind-heart connection that I believe compels us to not just be attentive to all the bright and dazzly things, but also the dark and difficult things. Vaclav Havel, the great Czech leader, talked about this. He said, "When we were in Eastern Europe and dealing with oppression, we wanted all kinds of things, but mostly what we needed was hope, an orientation of the spirit, a willingness to sometimes be in hopeless places and be a witness."

　　要知道最終，我們得相信那些沒親眼見的事 我們不得不。作為理智的社會(huì)，這么聰明的社會(huì) 革新，創(chuàng)造 發(fā)展，并不僅僅 在我們腦子里空想出來的 它們是從我們腦子里的智慧 和我們心里的信念 相結(jié)合的產(chǎn)物 這個(gè)靈智合一 我相信會(huì)驅(qū)使我們 不僅僅是對(duì)那些 光明的事情更上心 同時(shí)對(duì)那些黑暗面和棘手的事情也是一樣 韋克拉烏·哈韋爾，這位捷克的杰出領(lǐng)導(dǎo)人，談過這個(gè)問題 他說：“當(dāng)我們?cè)跂|歐解決強(qiáng)制壓迫的問題時(shí) 我們希望能成就很多 但是最重要的，我們要一個(gè)希望 一個(gè)心靈的指向 一種不憚?dòng)隗w會(huì)絕望的態(tài)度 以及為史留證的意愿。”

　　Well that orientation of the spirit is very much at the core of what I believe even TED communities have to be engaged in. There is no disconnect around technology and design that will allow us to be fully human until we pay attention to suffering, to poverty, to exclusion, to unfairness, to injustice. Now I will warn you that this kind of identity is a much more challenging identity than ones that don't pay attention to this. It will get to you.

　　這個(gè)心靈的指向 就是我的核心信念 我們的TED社會(huì) 也要參與進(jìn)來 這里不應(yīng)有任何東西把 高新的科技和完美的設(shè)計(jì) 和我們的人性間隔開來 只要我們還能注意到痛苦 注意到貧窮，制約，不公，和冤屈 我想提醒大家 這樣的定位 是很有挑戰(zhàn)性的 比起那些漠不關(guān)心的定位來說 它會(huì)影響你

　　I had the great privilege, when I was a young lawyer, of meeting Rosa Parks. And Ms. Parks used to come back to Montgomery every now and then, and she would get together with two of her dearest friends, these older women, Johnnie Carr who was the organizer of the Montgomery bus boycott -- amazing African-American woman -- and Virginia Durr, a white woman, whose husband, Clifford Durr, represented Dr. King. And these women would get together and just talk.

　　當(dāng)我是個(gè)年輕律師，我有幸見到帕克斯夫人 帕克斯夫人曾時(shí)不時(shí)會(huì)到蒙哥馬利 每次她都會(huì)和兩個(gè)好友會(huì)面 兩位上了年紀(jì)的女性 姜妮·卡爾，她是蒙哥馬利 公車抵制運(yùn)動(dòng)的組織者—— 非常出色的黑人女性—— 還有弗吉尼亞·杜爾，一位白人女性 她丈夫克利福德·杜爾是馬丁·路德·金的律師 這些女士們經(jīng)常聚在一起討論問題

　　And every now and then Ms. Carr would call me, and she'd say, "Bryan, Ms. Parks is coming to town. We're going to get together and talk. Do you want to come over and listen?" And I'd say, "Yes, Ma'am, I do." And she'd say, "Well what are you going to do when you get here?" I said, "I'm going to listen." And I'd go over there and I would, I would just listen. It would be so energizing and so empowering.

　　有時(shí)卡爾夫人會(huì)給我打電話 問我：“帕克斯夫人回來了，我們要聚聚。 你愿不愿意來聽我們談話?” 我會(huì)說：“當(dāng)然，夫人，我愿意。” 她會(huì)問：“你來這里具體干什么呀?” 我會(huì)說：“我就想聽聽。” 然后我會(huì)過去，只是傾聽 這些聚會(huì)總是非常激動(dòng)和鼓舞人心的

　　And one time I was over there listening to these women talk, and after a couple of hours Ms. Parks turned to me and she said, "Now Bryan, tell me what the Equal Justice Initiative is. Tell me what you're trying to do." And I began giving her my rap. I said, "Well we're trying to challenge injustice. We're trying to help people who have been wrongly convicted. We're trying to confront bias and discrimination in the administration of criminal justice. We're trying to end life without parole sentences for children. We're trying to do something about the death penalty. We're trying to reduce the prison population. We're trying to end mass incarceration."

　　有一次我在那里聽她們談話 幾小時(shí)后帕克斯夫人問我 她問：“布萊恩，和我講講你的平等司法倡議。 和我講講你打算做什么。” 我就開始大講特講 我說：“我們想向不公正的待遇提出挑戰(zhàn)。 我們想幫那些被誤判了刑的人。 我們想和在刑法制度里的 偏見和歧視做對(duì)抗。 給孩子被判終身無法假釋的制度給終結(jié)掉。 我們想為死刑制度做些改變。 我們想減少監(jiān)獄人口。 我們還想杜絕過度泛濫的監(jiān)禁。”

　　I gave her my whole rap, and when I finished she looked at me and she said, "Mmm mmm mmm." She said, "That's going to make you tired, tired, tired." (Laughter) And that's when Ms. Carr leaned forward, she put her finger in my face, she said, "That's why you've got to be brave, brave, brave."

　　我做了一個(gè)全本無刪減的演講，當(dāng)我結(jié)束時(shí)，她盯著我 說：“別別別。” 她說：“這些會(huì)讓你很累，很累，很累的。” (笑聲) 這時(shí)卡爾夫人湊過來，她把手放在我臉邊說： “這就是為什么你要很勇敢很勇敢很勇敢。”

　　And I actually believe that the TED community needs to be more courageous. We need to find ways to embrace these challenges, these problems, the suffering. Because ultimately, our humanity depends on everyone's humanity. I've learned very simple things doing the work that I do. It's just taught me very simple things. I've come to understand and to believe that each of us is more than the worst thing we've ever done. I believe that for every person on the planet. I think if somebody tells a lie, they're not just a liar. I think if somebody takes something that doesn't belong to them, they're not just a thief. I think even if you kill someone, you're not just a killer. And because of that there's this basic human dignity that must be respected by law. I also believe that in many parts of this country, and certainly in many parts of this globe, that the opposite of poverty is not wealth. I don't believe that. I actually think, in too many places, the opposite of poverty is justice.

　　我確信TED這個(gè)社會(huì) 需要更有膽量些 我們需要找到出路 來面對(duì)這些挑戰(zhàn) 這些問題，這些痛苦 因?yàn)樽罱K，我們的整體的人性取決于 每個(gè)人的人性 在我的工作中 我學(xué)到了非常簡(jiǎn)單的原則 我開始理解，開始相信 我們每一個(gè)人 都不會(huì)被我們最壞的一面所定義 我相信，對(duì)于這個(gè)星球上的每一個(gè)人 如果他撒了個(gè)謊，并不說明他就是個(gè)騙子 如果他拿了不屬于他的東西 并不說明他就是個(gè)慣偷 甚至你殺了人，并不說明你就是個(gè)冷血?dú)⑹?因?yàn)槲蚁嘈湃祟愑谢镜淖饑?yán) 法律必須尊重它 我也相信 在我們國家的很多地方 當(dāng)然甚至這個(gè)世界的很多地方 貧窮的反面，不是富裕 我不相信這個(gè) 我認(rèn)為，在很多很多地方 貧窮的反面，是公正

　　And finally, I believe that, despite the fact that it is so dramatic and so beautiful and so inspiring and so stimulating, we will ultimately not be judged by our technology, we won't be judged by our design, we won't be judged by our intellect and reason. Ultimately, you judge the character of a society, not by how they treat their rich and the powerful and the privileged, but by how they treat the poor, the condemned, the incarcerated. Because it's in that nexus that we actually begin to understand truly profound things about who we are.

　　最后，我相信 盡管(我們的科技和設(shè)計(jì))很有聲色 很美妙，很鼓動(dòng)人心 也很刺激 但我們本身最終不會(huì)被科技所評(píng)價(jià) 也不會(huì)被設(shè)計(jì)所衡量 我們也不會(huì)被智慧和哲學(xué)來打分 最終，人們會(huì)評(píng)價(jià)我們這個(gè)社會(huì) 不是根據(jù)我們?cè)趺纯畲蝗?，有特?quán)的人 而是根據(jù)我們?cè)趺磳?duì)待窮人 被譴責(zé)的人，被囚禁的人 因?yàn)檎窃谶@個(gè)合流點(diǎn) 我們真正地開始對(duì)于我們是什么樣的人 有了深入的理解

　　I sometimes get out of balance. I'll end with this story. I sometimes push too hard. I do get tired, as we all do. Sometimes those ideas get ahead of our thinking in ways that are important. And I've been representing these kids who have been sentenced to do these very harsh sentences. And I go to the jail and I see my client who's 13 and 14, and he's been certified to stand trial as an adult. I start thinking, well, how did that happen? How can a judge turn you into something that you're not? And the judge has certified him as an adult, but I see this kid.

　　我常失去平衡。我想用個(gè)故事結(jié)束我的演講 我有時(shí)工作太多 很累，就像大家每個(gè)人一樣 有時(shí)這些想法太多而思考跟不上 結(jié)果是很嚴(yán)重的 我曾經(jīng)為這些孩子們辯護(hù) 他們被判了很重的刑 我去管教所，看見我的被告都是十三四歲 他們被說成是成年人，作為成年人對(duì)待 我開始想，到底是怎么一回事? 一個(gè)法官，怎么能夠把一個(gè)人 判定成一個(gè)不同的人? 這個(gè)法官說他是成年人，但我只看見一個(gè)孩子

　　And I was up too late one night and I starting thinking, well gosh, if the judge can turn you into something that you're not, the judge must have magic power. Yeah, Bryan, the judge has some magic power. You should ask for some of that. And because I was up too late, wasn't thinking real straight, I started working on a motion. And I had a client who was 14 years old, a young, poor black kid. And I started working on this motion, and the head of the motion was: "Motion to try my poor, 14-year-old black male client like a privileged, white 75-year-old corporate executive."

　　一天晚上我徹夜難眠，不止地想 天哪，如果法官能把你寫成另一個(gè)人 這個(gè)法官肯定有魔法 對(duì)了，布萊恩，這個(gè)法官有魔法 你可得學(xué)著點(diǎn) 因?yàn)槲宜锰?，腦子不清楚 我開始做一個(gè)議案 我有個(gè)被告，十四歲，一個(gè)黑人小孩子 我開始做他的辯護(hù) 標(biāo)題是：“提案：將我的 十四歲的窮黑孩子 想成一個(gè)七十五歲的特級(jí) 白人企業(yè)高管。”

　　And I put in my motion that there was prosecutorial misconduct and police misconduct and judicial misconduct. There was a crazy line in there about how there's no conduct in this county, it's all misconduct. And the next morning, I woke up and I thought, now did I dream that crazy motion, or did I actually write it? And to my horror, not only had I written it, but I had sent it to court.

　　在這個(gè)提案里 我說檢察院，警察局和法庭都處理不當(dāng) 說這個(gè)法院沒有合情合法這一說之類的瘋話 全是故意亂判 第二天早上我醒來回想，我是做了個(gè)夢(mèng)呢 還是真的寫了這個(gè)提案? 恐怖的是，不光我真寫了 我還寄給法院了

　　A couple months went by, and I had just forgotten all about it. And I finally decided, oh gosh, I've got to go to the court and do this crazy case. And I got into my car and I was feeling really overwhelmed -- overwhelmed. And I got in my car and I went to this courthouse. And I was thinking, this is going to be so difficult, so painful. And I finally got out of the car and I started walking up to the courthouse.

　　幾個(gè)月過去了 我全忘了有這么回事 最后我決定 天哪，我得上庭去做這個(gè)案子 我跳上車 覺得很緊張——非常緊張 我上車開到法庭 我在想，這將會(huì)是場(chǎng)硬仗，會(huì)很痛苦 最后我終于鉆出車子，開始往法庭走

　　And as I was walking up the steps of this courthouse, there was an older black man who was the janitor in this courthouse. When this man saw me, he came over to me and he said, "Who are you?" I said, "I'm a lawyer." He said, "You're a lawyer?" I said, "Yes, sir." And this man came over to me and he hugged me. And he whispered in my ear. He said, "I'm so proud of you." And I have to tell you, it was energizing. It connected deeply with something in me about identity, about the capacity of every person to contribute to a community, to a perspective that is hopeful.

　　當(dāng)我上臺(tái)階時(shí) 有個(gè)上了年紀(jì)的黑人老伯，法院的清潔工 他看見我，跑來說 他問：“你是誰?” 我說：“我是律師。”他說：“你，是律師?”我說：“是的。先生。” 這個(gè)老伯湊過來 給了我一個(gè)擁抱 他悄悄在我耳邊說 他說：“我真為你驕傲。” 我得和大家承認(rèn) 這可給了我一針強(qiáng)心劑 他的話提醒了我心深處 我的自我定位 提醒了我每個(gè)人都應(yīng)該 對(duì)社會(huì)，對(duì)更好的前景做出的貢獻(xiàn)

　　Well I went into the courtroom. And as soon as I walked inside, the judge saw me coming in. He said, "Mr. Stevenson, did you write this crazy motion?" I said, "Yes, sir. I did." And we started arguing. And people started coming in because they were just outraged. I had written these crazy things. And police officers were coming in and assistant prosecutors and clerk workers. And before I knew it, the courtroom was filled with people angry that we were talking about race, that we were talking about poverty, that we were talking about inequality.

　　所以我跑到法庭里 我一走進(jìn)去，法官看見我就說： “史蒂文森先生，是你寫了這個(gè)瘋案么?” 我說：“是先生，是我寫的。”我們開始爭(zhēng)論 人們陸續(xù)跑進(jìn)來，因?yàn)榇蠹叶紤嵟?我的確寫了不少挺夠勁的事情 警察也進(jìn)來了 助理檢察官也進(jìn)來了，書記員也進(jìn)來了 我還沒回過神來，整個(gè)法庭站滿了人 全很憤怒，因?yàn)槲覀冊(cè)谡劮N族問題 我們?cè)谡勜毟F 我們?cè)谡劜黄降却?/p>

　　And out of the corner of my eye, I could see this janitor pacing back and forth. And he kept looking through the window, and he could hear all of this holler. He kept pacing back and forth. And finally, this older black man with this very worried look on his face came into the courtroom and sat down behind me, almost at counsel table. About 10 minutes later the judge said we would take a break. And during the break there was a deputy sheriff who was offended that the janitor had come into court. And this deputy jumped up and he ran over to this older black man. He said, "Jimmy, what are you doing in this courtroom?" And this older black man stood up and he looked at that deputy and he looked at me and he said, "I came into this courtroom to tell this young man, keep your eyes on the prize, hold on."

　　我眼角瞟到那個(gè)清潔工，在外面走來走去 不斷向里張望，他也都能聽到人們的抱怨 他就這樣來回來去地走 最后，這個(gè)黑人老伯進(jìn)來了 一臉擔(dān)心地坐在我后面 幾乎頂?shù)搅宿q護(hù)臺(tái) 十分鐘后，法官提議休息一下 休息期間，一個(gè)副警長覺得清潔工進(jìn)法庭 有失面子 這個(gè)副警長跳起來，向這個(gè)老伯沖過去 說：“吉米，你來法庭里干什么?” 這個(gè)老黑人站起來 看看這個(gè)副警長，看看我 他說：“我進(jìn)來 是想告訴這個(gè)年輕人 往前看，往好了看，挺住。”

　　I've come to TED because I believe that many of you understand that the moral arc of the universe is long, but it bends toward justice. That we cannot be full evolved human beings until we care about human rights and basic dignity. That all of our survival is tied to the survival of everyone. That our visions of technology and design and entertainment and creativity have to be married with visions of humanity, compassion and justice. And more than anything, for those of you who share that, I've simply come to tell you to keep your eyes on the prize, hold on.Thank you very much.

　　我今天來TED 是因?yàn)槲蚁嘈胚@里很多人都明白 這個(gè)世界的道德的弧線盡管很長 但是永遠(yuǎn)向著公正的一邊傾斜 在我們開始關(guān)心人權(quán)和尊嚴(yán)之前 我們無法真正完成進(jìn)化 我們的生存 和每一個(gè)人的生存都分不開 我們?cè)诳萍己驮O(shè)計(jì)上的前景 在娛樂和創(chuàng)造力上的眼光 必須與人性，慈善，和公正的遠(yuǎn)見 相結(jié)合 最重要的是 對(duì)于每個(gè)執(zhí)著此見的人 我只想和你說 往前看，往好了看，挺住。謝謝大家。

　　Chris Anderson: So you heard and saw an obvious desire by this audience, this community, to help you on your way and to do something on this issue. Other than writing a check, what could we do?

　　克里斯·安德森：你應(yīng)該聽到看到 這些聽眾，這個(gè)群體 想幫你，想做貢獻(xiàn)的意愿了 除了給你寫支票 我們還能做什么?

　　BS: Well there are opportunities all around us. If you live in the state of California, for example, there's a referendum coming up this spring where actually there's going to be an effort to redirect some of the money we spend on the politics of punishment. For example, here in California we're going to spend one billion dollars on the death penalty in the next five years -- one billion dollars. And yet, 46 percent of all homicide cases don't result in arrest. 56 percent of all rape cases don't result. So there's an opportunity to change that. And this referendum would propose having those dollars go to law enforcement and safety. And I think that opportunity exists all around us.

　　布萊恩：有很多機(jī)會(huì) 比如，如果你在加州住 今年春天有個(gè)公投 將是個(gè)很大的工夫 關(guān)于重新分配我們?cè)趹徒淙松匣ǖ腻X 比如，在加州 在未來五年內(nèi) 我們將花掉一億美元—— 一億呀 同時(shí)，百分之四十六的兇殺案 都沒有下落 百分之五十六的強(qiáng)奸案，查不出來 這個(gè)公投是個(gè)改變現(xiàn)狀的機(jī)會(huì) 這個(gè)公投將提出把這些錢 花在執(zhí)法和保安上 我認(rèn)為這個(gè)機(jī)會(huì)我們能幫忙

　　CA: There's been this huge decline in crime in America over the last three decades. And part of the narrative of that is sometimes that it's about increased incarceration rates. What would you say to someone who believed that?

　　克瑞斯：在近三十年 美國的犯罪率有個(gè)大下降 有人說部分原因是 和大幅上升的監(jiān)禁率有關(guān) 你對(duì)持這個(gè)說法的人會(huì)怎么講?

　　BS: Well actually the violent crime rate has remained relatively stable. The great increase in mass incarceration in this country wasn't really in violent crime categories. It was this misguided war on drugs. That's where the dramatic increases have come in our prison population. And we got carried away with the rhetoric of punishment. And so we have three strikes laws that put people in prison forever for stealing a bicycle, for low-level property crimes, rather than making them give those resources back to the people who they victimized. I believe we need to do more to help people who are victimized by crime, not do less. And I think our current punishment philosophy does nothing for no one. And I think that's the orientation that we have to change.

　　布萊恩：其實(shí)犯罪率 幾乎沒怎么變 這個(gè)國家上升的監(jiān)禁率 并不是在暴力犯罪這一類里的 而是由毒品的濫用所導(dǎo)致的 這才是我們監(jiān)獄人口 上升的主要原因 我們?cè)诨ㄉ诘膽徒渖献叩糜悬c(diǎn)太遠(yuǎn)了 同時(shí)我們有三擊出局的規(guī)定 能把一些人永久監(jiān)禁起來 只是因?yàn)橥盗溯v自行車，或者一點(diǎn)點(diǎn)財(cái)物 我們并不給他們機(jī)會(huì)對(duì)受害人 作出補(bǔ)償 我相信我們需要給犯罪的人更多幫助 而不是剝奪他們僅有的 我想現(xiàn)今的刑法哲學(xué) 對(duì)誰也沒有利 我認(rèn)為這個(gè)大方向應(yīng)該改變

　　CA: Bryan, you've struck a massive chord here. You're an inspiring person. Thank you so much for coming to TED. Thank you.

　　克里斯：布萊恩，你今天震了大家一把 你真是很個(gè)能鼓舞人心的家伙 非常感謝你來TED。謝謝

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